Stuart [14] A second hand market for turbines also exists, which could grow as older turbines are replaced by larger newer ones. Even cheap electricity doesnt change anything. I have just signed up with EON at 9.4p per Kwh, It is common for major companies to claim they use renewable or carbon-free power only, on the grounds of green certificates. For NS to use only wind power from wind farms to power its rail system the wind farms must be connected directly to NSs railways. And meanwhile the Netherlands electrified railways continue to be powered dominantly by fossil fuel electricity. However the electricity is delivered to the train, once its there, it is used to power lights, and air-conditioning, as well as the traction motors, which are what turn the trains wheels. 1995 - 2023 by Snopes Media Group Inc. You can't pull line between your house and a windmill and hope you have 100% power for all the time. If the train line is a busy one, with small gaps between scheduled trains, the electricity produced by one helps to power the very next one that comes along. Deregulation Is Still Wrong for Consumers. I struggled to find reliable figures to back that up, so I didnt want to repeat the claim here. NS is the main public train in the Netherlands. . NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction, writes author Roger Andrews. In addition, the use of conductor rails sets a speed limit on trains of about 160kph (100mph) above this, the metal contact blocks (called pickup shoes) can lose contact with the rail and result in a drop in power. if any Finnish electron reaches Netherlands most likely it goes via Baltic states, Poland and Germany. Homer-Dixon did not write this viral quote, but he did comment on it in a May 2018 blog post entitled: "No . The point about this is that it is just PR. [5] In 2020 wind power provided 11.54% of the Dutch electricity generation (see table above) while solar power provided an additional 7.25% for a combined 18.79% - easily meeting the target without taking other renewable sources into account, even though the target for onshore wind capacity was not met. The Dutch and other people draw energy from the European grid, which has been generated by many sources. One windmill running for an hour can power a train for 120 miles, the companies said. A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of. NS first announced their target for a wind-powered train fleet back in 2015, but they've hit their target a year earlier than planned - way ahead of their 2018 goal. Their original goal was to transition the trains to 100 percent renewable energy by 2018, but that target was moved up after reaching 75 percent in 2016. "Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy," said NS spokesman,. NS operates about 5,500 train trips a day. There are ~40 utilities with sharp price competition in NL. Under this system the government chooses locations and organizes tenders for projects of 350 MW, and project developers can offer bids for each farm. A little more than a tenth of all electricity consumed in the Netherlands comes from wind power, some of which is imported. Produced at least 14 models of 100. 2015 was a record year for new installations in the Netherlands with 586 MW added of which 180 MW were offshore. As Brightvibes noted, a decreasing and relatively small number of Dutch trains are still running on diesel. If it was based on the former there would a strong possibility that these companies could be oversubscribed with customers who may not receive true renewable energy when the wind does not blow. Intercity train arriving at Leiden Central railway station, Netherlands. Illustration All Dutch electric trains are now powered by wind energy, the national railway company NS has said . [9] As a first step, the government has determined 65 sites for offshore wind farms in the North Sea and IJsselmeer. Half of that total is expected to come from foreign sources in Scandinavia and elsewhere, with the rest generated in the Netherlands. UK Government to Announce New Energy Policies, Waking into our new volatile age of oil prices. Fossil fuel-fired power plants produced over 80% of the electricity in the Netherlands, mainly natural gas (42%) and coal (35%). Dutch trains to be wind-powered from 2018. There are very little poor people in Germany. There is a DC interconnector (LitPol, 500 MW) between Lithuania and Poland now, and in addition the NordBalt (DC 700 MW) between Sweden and Lithuania. These include the 580km NorNed submarine cable (700 MW) link to Norway, the 1,000 MW BritNed cable link to the United Kingdom and the COBRA cable link to Denmark (700 MW). There are very little poor people in Germany. Hughes didn't make that statement of all windmills, and he allowed that some could recoup their construction costs in three years or less. There is a tight social net up to the point where their transfer income pays for their existence. In total, NS consumes around 1.2 TWh of electricity to power its trains. Nor should you you probably get shaved 20% faster than me! They would stop when there isnt any, obs. The 113,3 Twh exported far exceeds the actual exports of course, but were good business for the power companies selling their power twice. That would force other trains to halt. https://ecommons.cornell.edu/bitstream/handle/1813/5329/Bothi_BEEThesis.pdf;sequence=1, When wind power is fed into a grid it becomes inextricably mixed with all the vibrating electrons from other generation sources to the point where there is no way of knowing where any power taken from the grid came from.. The first two are feel good justifications that have no practical impact. Apart from the first rather obvious problems, anyone with the most basic understanding of electrical enrgy, as taught before 16 at school, would immediately know this was a wholly untrue technical assertion., Thats the whole point, Brian There are hardly any people with a basic understanding of electrical energy If most would have an understanding, there would be no renewables at all The whole charade would not even have started in the first place , Just as Otter says above, on different forums, lots of people are claiming Im 100% renewable (because I have a 100% RE contract with Essent, or Lampiris, or Belpower, or ENI, or ), Neither humour (so you got all the wind power this morning, because there was none left for me !, nor hard facts (for the 8-day period 27/12 03/01, that I just took a look at for another discussion, Wind and Solar provided a grand total of 4.6% of all electricity used in Belgium Was that enough for all of them 100% RE contracts ? Hinkley C will have a footprint of 165 acres when operational and an equivalent footprint for onshore windturbines would be from 160,000 to 490,000 acres (dependent on power of turbines available) to produce the same power output over a year. Fossil fuel-fired power plants produced over 80% of the electricity in the Netherlands, mainly natural gas (42%) and coal (35%). The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. Consumer unions help by auctioning for grouped members. I Did Not Say Wind Energy is 'Idiot Power.'" The largest wind farm in the Netherlands is Noordoostpolder with a capacity of 429 MW. Roger, that map isn`t quite updated. OK, these days its less than the bandwidth to your mobile, but mumble years ago it was the real deal. They say that this makes them the first rail company in the world that runs it fleet entirely on renewable energy. Even the two Dutch wind farms with which NS contracts directly for wind power, Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen, are tied generally to the Dutch grid and not tied directly into the NS rail system. Its worth noting that it would be pointless to put wind turbines in poor locations, and its trivial, or meaningless, to say that a turbine would never pay back its embedded energy in a poor location. If not, Im sure their stranded customers would be happy to explain it to them. remarkably consists of wind turbines with just 2 blades, manufactured by Nedwind, the 18 turbines have a combined nominal power of 18 MW.[30]. * Just an FYI, this official infographic shows that the scheme saves 1.4 billion kWh of electricity, which they say is the same as whats used by ALL of Amsterdams residents. This quote appeared in a book edited by Homer-Dixon, but it was actually written by David Hughes. It doesnt add up, I would say about Euro 47 million is big money especially when you consider it`s for nothing.. Ah, so the train really runs on smoke & mirrors. [13] The wind farm demonstrates the growth in scale in wind power as between 1987 and 1991 it was the largest of its kind in Europe with 50 turbines and a total nameplate capacity of 15 MW. An extra live rail that has direct current flowing through it at all times. Probably not. The Netherlands national railway company, NS, has announced all of its electric passenger trains (not the freight trains) are now 100% powered by wind energy. http://ast.lv/eng/power_system/current_situation_in_power_system/state_of_power_system/ You bet. This is about two-thirds of the system. Its worth remembering that data on wind and solar is available here: http://mylly.hopto.me/windineurope/wind_solar_20_countries_raw.zip. The Nuclear Humanist 1.75K subscribers 40 Dislike Share 814 views Jul 23, 2017 The Dutch Railway Corporation. 15ct/kWh, 100%hydro, no nuclear or gray labeled power bought for pumping. This is the cause of the very bright, blue-white spark you sometimes see near the third rail, as well as flickering carriage lights. As Hughes observed, his point was that "the concept of net energy is crucial if we want to find a policy that will see us through the Energy Sustainability Dilemma," not that windmills should be eschewed for using up more energy than they ever create. The Same Reason You Would Study Anything Else, The (Mostly) Quantum Physics Of Making Colors, This Simple Thought Experiment Shows Why We Need Quantum Gravity, How The Planck Satellite Forever Changed Our View Of The Universe. Ive included a (slightly-edited) mini-excerpt from my recent book, Science and the City, to explain: Electric locomotives dont have conventional engines. The clip is in Dutch so set the captions to translate if you do not speak the language. The European high voltage grid connects Finland with Sweden but doesnt go through the Baltic States. On insulated wires, the speed, on average, is about 2/3 the speed of light. People making this claim are simply propagandists. The Dutch rail network will run entirely on renewable wind energy by 2018 under a new contract signed by power company Eneco and energy procurement cooperative VIVENS. Only about 2% of Finlands generation mix is wind, and by the time it passes through the Finnish, Swedish and German grids on its way to the Netherlands it will effectively have disappeared. It probably has a lower calorific value, a greater CO2 content (up to 30%/40% from some sources), and your local regs may insist it be odourised. The energy comes from new wind farms in the Netherlands and surrounding countries - and it's a lot. In this way, the Dutch railways aim to reduce the greatest negative environmental impact caused by CO2 in such a way that its demand actually contributes to the sustainable power generation in the Netherlands and Europe.. [18], In the first week of December 2016, all 150 turbines of the new 600 MW Gemini offshore windfarm began producing power, and the project is expected to be fully commissioned by mid 2017. In August 2015, a meme posted to the Google+ group "The Secret Society of Anti-AGW-ACC Cultism," an organization that claims climate change is a hoax, reproduced the words allegedly written by Thomas Homer-Dixon, the Associate Director of the Waterloo Institute for Complexity and Innovation, on the subject of windmills. The only way we could get close would be to take this measure of the citys population (813, 562) and this value for electricity consumption per person (1800 kWh). A two-megawatt windmill contains 260 tonnes of steel requiring 170 tonnes of coking coal and 300 tonnes of iron ore, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons. As Enecos account manager Michel Kerkhof pointed out, the key objective is to avoid procuring energy from the limited existing number of sustainable energy projects in the Netherlands, thus promoting renewable growth both domestically and Europe-wide., This partnership ensures that new investments can be made in even newer wind farms, which will increase the share of renewable energy, Kerkhof continued. I guess I could have found something cheaper still if Id looked hard enough. The other half comes from newly built wind farms in . TL;DR Dutch trains run on natural gas and coal power, not wind power. In other words, the two oldest sources of renewable power, water and wood, are carrying most of the burden for Burlingtons renewable achievement, not the sources that might come to mind when people read the headline. The electrons vibrate at 60 cycles per second, 60 Hz, and travel at less than 0.1 inch/second. The Netherlands currently has a total of 2,200 wind turbines across the country, according to DutchNews.nl. First some details on the Netherlands electricity sector. But a recent piece of news about electricity caught my attention. Their goal was to operate all NS trains on electricity produced by wind turbines by January 2018. Started operation in 2001 and is developing a 6,000kW two blade downwind turbine. I am told Biogas is not actually allowed in our pipeline system. It is a special fund used by the Dutch government to make investments in renewable energy profitable. simply use the smart technology to cut them off until their consumption matches the wind farms output. Active 2020. I find that the electrified portion of the Dutch railway network (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, or NS) runs on grid electricity that comes dominantly from fossil fuel generation (natural gas and coal). More than 12% of the Netherland's electricity is generated from renewable sources, mainly biomass and waste (5% of the total) and wind (7% of the total). I cant help feeling that inexperienced power traders at NS will have been taken to the cleaners at the expense of passengers. [20] A few of the larger wind farms are listed here. NS claims 100% wind power because it has a contract with various wind farms to produce enough energy to power its rail system, but this is just an accounting transaction. Imports from the German grid, however, will contain about 14% wind power, although not wind power that NS has contracted for. Willem, you dont feel deprived by having 60Hz in the US. Blunt, Elizabeth. Per Physics 101, once electricity is fed into the grid it travels, as electromagnetic waves, at near the speed of light on un-insulated wires, i.e. Produced at least 3 models of outputs 100, 200, 250kW. Heres a fantasy as to how Nederlandse Spoorwegen could make their claims of only using wind power a reality. When challenged on its claim, NS clarified that only the electrified portion of its system runs completely on wind power. http://www.litgrid.eu/index.php/sistemos-duomenys/79. An earlier version said all Dutch trains were now 100% powered by wind-generated electricity, according to the national railway company NS. The evidence speaks for itself. Do the Netherlands trains really run on http://elering.ee/cross-border-physical-flows/, http://ast.lv/eng/power_system/current_situation_in_power_system/state_of_power_system/, http://www.litgrid.eu/index.php/sistemos-duomenys/79, Antidotes were hard to find this week as one cheering message after another was debunked only Positive News was buoyant | C 3000: antidote to gloom, International Energy Agency Electricity Production Statistics for OECD Countries 2014 2016 | Blogging about energy and transitioning to clean energy, Drone Strike on Saudi Arabia Knocks out 5% of Global Oil Supplies, Grazing, desertification and climate change. Figure 1: The Netherlands generation mix 2000-2013. Rod, you must live in Albania E.ON wanted to put my tariff up from 9.79p to 13.87p. The rest is supplied by wind and solar power, which contribute about a fifth of the citys power. Electricity backed 100% by low-carbon generation, Its also why we make good on our supply promise for homes on our Blue tariffs: well match every unit you use with electricity generated from low-carbon nuclear sources.. Dutch electric trains are running on 1.2 billion kilowatt-hours of wind energy supplied by sustainable energy supplier, Eneco. [20] An additional 228 MW of capacity was installed at sea. Your membership is the foundation of our sustainability and resilience. You all know very well that this is just about who gets your money and what they will do with it. Since 1 January, 100% of our trains are running on wind energy, said NS spokesman, Ton Boon. Thanks for the correction Lars. But you can arrange for a proxy burn of biogas in another state, say Colorado, and buy the rights to say you consumed it. In Norway 132,2 million guarantees of origin for hydro power were issued in 2014, corresponding to 132,2 Twh. There are several Dutch turbine manufacturers that continue to manufacture both large and small installations for domestic and international clients. Knew this was BS from the headline. Claims that Dutch trains running entirely on wind power are way off track. Everyone drawing energy from the grid is equal, on a physical basis. power for over 400,000 households every day, a figure roughly equivalent to the number of households in the Northern Netherlands.[13]. Headlines like this make people feel good. In 2016, Dutch wind hit the headlines again, when a 700 MW offshore windfarm near the town of Borssele became the most cost-effective in the world. This is hardly enough to make a big deal about. So, as you can see, your silly view of the frrrench domestic heating habits are wrong, probably based on indoctrination from greenpiss or the like. Stations are heated using heat exchangers, green gas or green electricity. Companies that want to claim that they run on green energy then just have to buy enough GoOs to cover their energy demand. As shown in the table below installed capacity is dominantly fossil fuel, with natural gas making up 61% of total installed capacity and coal 15%. This record was immediately beaten the following year with another 766 MW being added. Well, it actually claims that only the electrified portion runs on 100% wind. The turbines supply enough energy to power 2.4 million households. Harried Dutch commuters may not be entirely cognisant of the fact . (CONTINUED), London Underground trains use two conductor rails to manage their electricity needs (Image courtesy [+] of BEN STANSALL/AFP/Getty Images), In all cases, this regenerated electricity can be returned to the power line via the conductor rail. I dont mind buying 100% renewable energy for my house ( I have got a small 6kw wind turbine which has supplied me for over 10 years) if it is the same price as normal electricity but I would not pay a premium for it as some suppliers charge. Ah, so they're contracted for wind energy offset, not 100% wind energy powered. The GoOs trade at a premium and help to subsidise the production. What the Netherlands gets when it imports it is the energy mix on the German grid. Netherlands take e-mobility to next level: 100% of countrys trains are powered by #wind: https://t.co/U1oDry30ll pic.twitter.com/c0vrXxrDZl, UN Climate Change (@UNFCCC) January 10, 2017. The comment about T1s was meant to be a wry tomayto vs tomarto thing which probably didnt work as an explanation of why I get pedantic. For high-speed trains, overhead wires are the better choice. Since 2015 there has been a trend towards the deployment and planning for large wind farms, both onshore and offshore, with a view to the approximate tripling wind power capacity from 2015 levels by 2023. According to Cleantechnica Do Dutch trains run on Wind? I happen to know a little about the Dutch grid and its power networks: interconnectors to other countries have long been bottlenecks and monopolising capacity on them has proved to be quite profitable in the past to those who trade electricity in more than one country. But of course even two-thirds of the NS system doesnt run completely on wind power. This year, Dutch commuters ditched fossil fuels to power their country's trains on 100% wind energy - and it's a grand idea that's catching on the world over. The role of the third (or conductor) rail is to ensure that the electricity is always directly available, so its installed alongside, or in between, the pair of running rails (Keep an eye out for it when youre next on an underground train). That is why half of the demand will be sourced from a number of new wind farms in Belgium and Scandinavia, which have been specifically assigned for this contract., http://www.railway-technology.com/features/featuremichel-kerkhof-of-eneco-discusses-the-dutch-rail-networks-renewable-revolution-4647194/. By Adele Peters 1 minute Read A single. Not relevant here. But its a funny read. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. According to Eneco, the power used by the carriers comes from newly built wind farms in the Netherlands, Scandinavia and Belgium. One thing I should have mentioned in the post is why NS doesnt get all its wind power from Netherlands wind farms. A book co-edited by Thomas Homer-Dixon contained a passage stating that windmills "might never generate as much energy as was invested in building [them]." This text is selectively excerpted from a chapter written by David Hughes in Carbon Shift (2009), a book I co-edited. 600,000 passengers daily are "the first in the world" to travel thanks to wind energy. Nevermind the entirety of it. As of October2022[update], wind power in the Netherlands has an installed capacity of 8,304 MW, 29.6% of which is based offshore. (Data from ENTSO-E ): No details on the current generation mix are readily available, but as shown in Figure 1 gas and coal supplied around 80% of the Netherlands electricity between 2000 and 2013 and its likely that this percentage still applies. Putting these numbers together indicates that only 10-15% of the electricity consumed annually by NSs electric trains will come from wind, with the rest a mixture that includes mostly Dutch gas and coal plus a small amount of Belgian and German coal, nuclear and lignite and maybe even a little German solar, Andrews explains. The two Dutch wind farms that have contracted to sell power to NS (Noordoostpolder and Luchterduinen) are both connected directly to the Dutch grid, along with all the other power plants in the country, and NS draws its power from the grid: Figure 3: The Netherlands electricity grid. wind power in the Netherlands generates 7.4 billion kWh (7.4TWh) of electricity annually, and according to BP the Netherlands total electricity generation in 2015 was 109.6TWh. Rail networks source this electricity from the grid, and just like for our homes, its transmitted to them via high-voltage lines. 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