I read that the chances of it saying girl and being wrong are less likely then if it says boy since the test could get contaminated with boy DNA so Im pretty sure thats what it is but of course will have it confirmed during my anatomy ultrasound. I was very careful to prevent contamination (I have a husband, son, and 3 male cats, so LOTS of potentially contaminating Y chromosomes all over the place!) its best to do it at 10 weeks or above. sneek peek clinical Had booked for sneek peek clinical partners blood was drawn 24th October. Please select a reason for escalating this post to the WTE moderators: Connect with our community members by starting a discussion. I just got my results and got a boy result. Group Leaders communicate with staff moderators and escalate potential violations for review, but they dont moderate discussions. Im happy with a healthy baby, but now my husband and I have our hopes set on a girl. Lol everyone I know has a boy and a girl or at least one of the other Im just over here sad that I might never have a son and same for the people who might not have a daughter. For more information, please see our This is slightly controversial and I want you to hear me out A few months later, my midwife confirmed that we are indeed expecting a little girl! I want to be over NIPT says girl, 16 week ultrasound says boy, 3D didnt show boy parts. Your post will be hidden and deleted by moderators. The bonds they will make. think twice before sharing personal details, foster a friendly and supportive environment, remove fake accounts, spam and misinformation, delete posts that violate our community guidelines, reviewed by our medical review board and team of experts. My sneek peak test results have yet to arrive and they've had my blood for over 2 weeks. I did sneak peak clinical and mine was a girl and it was correct - confirmed via our NIPT testing a few weeks later. I took mine at what I thought was my 6 weeks but at my ultrasound when they confirmed my due date I would have been 5 weeks. kind of what Im thinking. Malorie Sun, Dec 13 I got my sneak peek results and after 2 boys, it says we've got a baby girl on the way! Group Black's collective includes Essence, The Shade Room and Naturally Curly. We are excited either way but after 5 girls in a row (1 who we lost) I feel shocked it's a girl again. I wanted to ask those of you far enough along to have confirmed whether or not the results were accurate by ultrasound if they were indeed accurate for you. It says girl, and I have only seen false boy results curious if anyone had a false girl that didnt take the test too early. I was shocked because everything that I read said boy results would be the false because of cross contamination but that it is sooooo unlikely to get a false girl result. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. What to Expect supports Group Black and its mission to increase greater diversity in media voices and media ownership. I did the Canadian equivalent and they advise you wipe down the box before opening then clean hands thoroughly. Actually wanted a girl all 3 times. have heard so many wrong boy results now! Irish twins & 4- 4 & under. If this makes you feel any better, your girls (if babe IS a girl) will have such a great bond! I highly recommend!!! I feel like everyone gets a boy lol. This is what I have heard! I just have such a strong feeling in my gut that its a boy but I received a girl result. Sneak Peek said boy as well. Im overweight and now Im questioning whether my results are accurate. it can give you a false girl result if you do it too early. He is surrounded by women lol. it definitely happens. 2005-2023Everyday Health, Inc., a Ziff Davis company. 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Select a location to see product availability, Reviewed in the United States on October 4, 2022. My name is Sarah and I am a mommy to five. We respect everyones right to express their thoughts and opinions as long as they remain respectful of other community members, and meet What to Expects Terms of Use. Currently taking any and all advice!! Fortunately, in the rare instance that you receive an inaccurate gender result using our Early Gender Results Test, we'll offer . . My ENTIRE family is girls, I have a million sisters and nieces and aunts. Press J to jump to the feed. Just a word of caution to anyone thinking of getting the test done, if youre an overly anxious type it may just make things worse for you! Our little gender reveal video (just the two of us) is hysterical. Fully believing that the DNA Diagnostics Center seemed to be doing a more thorough job, and that false girl results were much less common that false boy results. Sneak Peek is not worth it. Ive heard sneak peak results work earlier than 8 weeks so I believe you are good on the results! Im 40 so chances of more kids is really unlikely. There are plenty of articles and studies to support the accuracy of this test. Note that once you confirm, this action cannot be undone. 2nd Update baby Ella was born Nov 2020 h. Please specify a reason for deleting this reply from the community. Trying to trust the sneak peek and wait for ultrasound but the suspense is killing me! This is why I'm NOT doing Sneak Peek this time. I hit 6w next week but dont have an ultrasound to confirm due date until 9 weeks idk what to do . Please select a reason for escalating this post to the WTE moderators: Connect with our community members by starting a discussion. Original review: The test arrived at my house timely and of course I immediately started to prepare for the test. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Group Owners uphold the core values of the brand by reporting content that violates the community guidelines. But, unfortunately was incorrect and not accurate! my good friend just did 2 weeks ago.it said boy but in ultrasound it's actually a girl !! A Group Owner is a member that has initiated the creation of a group to connect with other members to share their journey through the same pregnancy & baby stages. Second baby girl for me.. and Im just idk how to feel!!! I hope I never lose you and I hope one day I can give you everything. Shes my angel too! The views expressed in community are solely the opinions of participants, and do not reflect those of What to Expect. I did a sneak peek test and it said Boy. I did sneak peek I think it was 8 weeks two days, I got a boy result, I'm so worried I contaminated it! Lol but hey they have a 50/50 shot so they may get yours right!! But we were already getting used to the idea of a boy. To me, it would seem if the test says Im having a boy because it found testosterone in my blood, it would have to be true unless my sample was touched by a male (I did it at my moms and no males love there). Congratulations! Do you have any kids yet? We respect everyones right to express their thoughts and opinions as long as they remain respectful of other community members, and meet What to Expects Terms of Use. I thought Sneak Peak was pretty certain since it says over 99.1% accurate. , Ive seen some people say they got a false girl but its not as common and I feel bad hoping thats the case for me buuut I swear its a boy , girl saaaame!!!! Hahaha Congratulations!! Reviewed in the United States on December 10, 2022. I'm happy either way but have heard the boy result tends to be less accurate than the girl one. Group Black's collective includes Essence, The Shade Room and Naturally Curly. Im seeing that you can do it at 6 weeks but is it more accurate to wait?? Theyre 18m apart & Im really excited for their future. My SneakPeek test results were wrong. If you feel a message or content violates these standards and would like to request its removal please submit the following information and our moderating team will respond shortly. Congratulations!! Your post will be hidden and deleted by moderators. This group is for people and their baby / babies born in June 2021! now Im scared to try for a third.. sigh. me too!! This gets your hopes up and is a complete waste of your time and money, I was 7 weeks and one day when I took the test I hope this saves someone else some time. 4 CheddarSupreme 8 mo. hahahah! So at 9 weeks I ordered the Sneak Peek Gender test because we couldn't wait to find out the gender. Please whitelist our site to get all the best deals and offers from our partners. Find advice, support and good company (and some stuff just for fun). absolutely! Weve been calling the baby our boys name I have no clue of a girl name I just feel so disconnected. The educational health content on What To Expect is reviewed by our medical review board and team of experts to be up-to-date and in line with the latest evidence-based medical information and accepted health guidelines, including the medically reviewed What to Expect books by Heidi Murkoff. I did the at-home test with my last pregnancy at 11/12 weeks (can't remember exactly), but it was much farther than 8 weeks. I was hoping for a girl as well! With more women like you. I didnt have a same gender sibling so close in age and I think its an awesome gift actually!! This is incredibly deceptive and they just need to stick to their claim of 8 or 9 weeks rather than saying they can test earlier when they know they can't. Clearly I am not! Congrats! We are hoping for a girl but we will be happy with just a healthy baby. Please whitelist our site to get all the best deals and offers from our partners. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. awww Im sorry girl! But I have scared myself reading about false results! Im wanting a girl even though we already have a diva! Its been HELL lol but Im doing it as soon as my husband leaves for work in the morning. I tested at 10w3d and got a girl result. Reviewed in the United States on January 6, 2023. Create an account or log in to participate. Spoke to genetic counselor, decided to just wait Two under one support and sneakpeak gender question. I have 2 girls and my sneak peek said girl.. kinda sad because no one other than my 3 year old was excited .. cant lie Im a bit sad myself because this is our last baby and feels like Im mourning the loss of a boy ill never have and i have to give up that dream . Learn more about, Twins & Multiples: Your Tentative Time Table. if Im being totally honest, I cried when I found out it was a girl. Gender disappointment is real. Got my results and said girl but waiting until my scan to see if its accurate. Learn more about, Twins & Multiples: Your Tentative Time Table. Use of this site is subject to our terms of use and privacy policy. Ive heard boys are more likely to be false positives because of contamination but wanted to see if anyone has any false positive Has anyone ever heard of a wrong girl result? I wanted to confirm what the geneticist had gathered (regarding gender) before I told my parents. Or wait to autonomy screen? These are the irrational fears that keep running through my mind lol, My at home sneak peek was correct for our girl. Previously I had thought girl result was 100% and the only false results were boys. Now almost 20 weeks and my anatomy scan confirmed girl. We used 7 kits over 2 visits and NONE of them would get a single drop of blood. People I know have all said that they havent heard of that. Yeah Im not taking this seriously then. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I got girl results too at 8w! We have 3 girls so Im PRAYING mine is wrong. Sneak peek, anyone get a false girl result I'm 12 weeks and just got my results from sneak peek test in. The good, the messy, and everything in between. we just did our NT Test and our technician said boy too! Even SneakPeek's Early Gender Results Test isn't 100% perfect (although with clinically-proven 99.9% accuracy, we come pretty close). I got my sneak peek results and after 2 boys, it says weve got a baby girl on the way! This test accurately determined our baby's sex at 9 weeks gestation. OF COURSE, I will love my baby no matter what! False girl result are rare because the only real way to get one is for a woman to test too early and not have a y chromosome floating around in her DNA yet. I guess this is what I get for doing sneak peek lol I actually felt super different this time around. but I guess it can still be the same result , hey! I'm reviewing this *before* I receive the results, just so I can remember my thoughts on the actual collection process. When we have this baby our oldest will turn 4, and youngest will turn 1. Yet it is okay to want a boy or girl and be disappointed with the gender and it wonderful that this is a safe space to vent as down deep we all know we will love our little one no matter what!!! Again I have always loved this test and sworn by it but it's pretty clear they're just claiming that they can do 6 weeks and past, when they can actually not do it and we'll just send you an inconclusive result. I figure I could hold out because I know its another girl. I live with all males, even our dog and cat are males so I took the test at work! I live with 3 boys (no girls) and I took my test at 12+ 2 weeks and it said I was having a girl! I have plenty of experience in the boy department and although I want a girl more than anything a boy would fit in perfectly and we would be happy either way. . I had a boy name, everything I was imagining was a boy. Group Leaders communicate with staff moderators and escalate potential violations for review, but they dont moderate discussions. she really wanted a girl but accepted the fact it was a boy and then at 14 week ultrasound the tech confirmed it was actually a girl!! Something that helps is taking myself out of the equation & thinking of how my children will be together. Lol. I keep trying to tell myself this, but of course there is always the chance of error either in transportation or processing. When I had a very similar morning sickness pattern and cravings, I was convinced it was a boy. . The views expressed in community are solely the opinions of participants, and do not reflect those of What to Expect. If you feel a message or content violates these standards and would like to request its removal please submit the following information and our moderating team will respond shortly. I turn 8w tomorrow and Ive had the sneak peak test sitting wrapped up for 2 weeks. Im having the same exact feelings! lol girl mom I swear I feel its so less common for moms to have allll girls? If you feel a message or content violates these standards and would like to request its removal please submit the following information and our moderating team will respond shortly. I did mine at 9 weeks last time and am doing it at about 8.5 weeks this time. I did the clinical version so there was less chance of contamination, but I cant help but think what if its too early and there just isnt enough fetal DNA for the Y chromosome to show up yet? Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. My next ultrasound is March 5 Nd Im hoping it was a mistake. I figure if it shows girl, then it's really a girl. I am also hoping for a boy. Just a tip! congratulations!! Yay! I was fairly confident in my abilities to take the test, and was so sure it was a girl, so I figured I was good to go, and my hunch would be validated earlier. im jusy wondering because i ordered my kit today. His gut feeling was right, we are having a BOY! We've only told our parents, waiting for NIPT to double confirm. Joining this because Im in the same boat sneak peak just showed Ill be expect my 3rd GIRL. I'm seeing that you can do it at 6 weeks but is it more accurate to wait? U never know though!! omg! I dont think they would change it if scientifically it decreased the accuracy. I will say that with my current pregnancy - I had my husband, son and stepson at home (as well as a male dog) when I did the test, so there's male DNA everywhere around here, but I was alone in my bathroom when I did the test. did you find out if your sneak peek results were correct?! I have seen an overwhelming amount of positive reviews/experiences and very few bad so Im cautiously optimistic! I used it at 9 weeks 4 days. Another sneak peek post Ive read sooo many things about male contamination but has anyone gotten a girl result when it was really a boy? A Group Leader is a What to Expect community member who has been selected by our staff to help maintain a positive, supportive tone within a group. I felt like with other pregnancies I always saw 8 weeks so I think they did change it! did you have your anatomy scan yet? Even though the clinic I went to advertised taking the test as early as 7 weeks. I purchased this for the price, but I wish I had spent the extra $20 or $30 to get the test that draws blood from your arm (I didnt realize that the risk of contamination is highest with this test, which makes sense because you can have DNA under your fingertips. A Group Leader is a What to Expect community member who has been selected by our staff to help maintain a positive, supportive tone within a group. do you know if they did it before 9 weeks or right at 9 weeks? BUT Im sure Ill come around. We respect everyones right to express their thoughts and opinions as long as they remain respectful of other community members, and meet What to Expects Terms of Use. I will update when I receive the anatomy scan.. had the Sneak Peek Clinical at 9 weeks 5 days so I still have a long wait. Haha Im due July 4, I have two boys and just got my sneak peak also saying girl!! Create an account or log in to participate. I wanted NIPT but would be $1,100 out of pocket for me! One last update: Anatomy scan at 19+5 today and confirmed shes definitely a little GIRL!! What to Expect supports Group Black and its mission to increase greater diversity in media voices and media ownership. In fact, your doctor offers similar tests given at 9-10 weeks to test for markers of trisomy, downs, and several others as well as X and Y chromosomes. think twice before sharing personal details, foster a friendly and supportive environment, remove fake accounts, spam and misinformation, delete posts that violate our community guidelines, reviewed by our medical review board and team of experts. This pregnancy - I did the sneak peak SNAP arm band thing, results said boy, and multiple ultrasounds have shown that it's a girl! , my friend has 2 boys and sneak peek said #3 was a boy. It said I was having a girl, BUT, thankfully I waited for my anatomy scan before doing a gender reveal - I was actually pregnant with a boy. Group Owners uphold the core values of the brand by reporting content that violates the community guidelines. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. and our Theyre going to be the bestest of friends! What to Expect supports Group Black and its mission to increase greater diversity in media voices and media ownership. I read a lot of reviews & have felt skeptical too, but the statistics seem pretty legit about the accuracy when u follow the directions word for word. Group Leaders arent expected to spend any additional time in the community, and are not held to a set schedule. Cookie Notice A Group Leader is a What to Expect community member who has been selected by our staff to help maintain a positive, supportive tone within a group. I got a girl result. I was told that a boy result has a higher probability of being inaccurate because of contamination by not following the directions. Please whitelist our site to get all the best deals and offers from our partners. The test was very user friendly, easy to use. I just got an email saying the results were inconclusive. Sneak Peek Dna Test- Gender Reveal Gone Wrong - YouTube 0:00 17:42 Sneak Peek Dna Test- Gender Reveal Gone Wrong 44,971 views Apr 19, 2019 406 Dislike Share Xo Jalyssa 448 subscribers We. I would reach out to them and see if they would be willing to send you another test? Its worth the money and time , Reviewed in the United States on January 20, 2023. I dont have a girl name picked out or anything because I was so sure. I feel like it was a waste of money because we honestly dont even believe the results!! If they get a "boy" result from the vial, they could swab the inside of the kit and run that swab looking for a Y chromosome. Ive heard boys are more likely to be false positives because of contamination but wanted to see if anyone has any false positive Has anyone ever heard of a wrong girl result? Hi! Since 2016 I have used sneak peek 4 previous times, I went to purchase it the 5 th time and noticed they had dropped their testing week down to 7 weeks. Other male DNA from other men and even male dogs can taint the test to cause a false positive boy result. One thing that was a little annoying is that I didnt have issues producing enough blood (used 2 of the 3 lancets provided), but when you tilt your finger down the blood kept pooling under my nail and not into the container provided. Reviewed in the United States on February 27, 2017. The more digging I do the more confused I become. waitthey can find out at 12 weeks. SNEAK PEEK GENDER TEST WAS WRONG!!!!! It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. Create an account or log in to participate. i did it w my last pregnancy and got girl, was accurate. Now pregnant with baby #3 I told myself I would pretty much rather have my gender disappointment later on down the line because I feel its another girl with my first 2 I did sneak peaks with this one I am going to just wait for my 12 week US appointment . . With my daughter the US said I was measuring a week and 1/2 behind, but at 8 weeks I would say Im ok!! Lol and Id be nuts to try for a 4th lol I think Im out with boys . But customer service got back to me in a timely manner, they sent me a new kit AND upgraded me to fast track!!! Please specify a reason for deleting this reply from the community. But yeah, I wouldnt get too bummed out yet. , yeah my girls are such angels Im so grateful to be able to have another one I just get sad that I might never have a son my oldest is going through puberty right now lol so Im experiencing that as we speak, Im sorry! My insurance actually covers the doctor's blood test but I didn't know that until after I took this test. 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