Opinion Mark Wingfield. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired. Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. In John MacArthur's book, "The Truth War" he writes that " Churches today are filled with people like that. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? I fail to see where the legalism is in any of my comments. There is nothing more basic than these. They make their workers and volunteers sign a confidentiality arrangement that they will not disclose anything about the finances of the church, or they will be sued. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? I am intrigued as to why you think my challenge to the claim is disgraceful and totally unwarranted, but you dont think the claim itself is? But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. If you want an alternative from another megachurch pastor, then listen to this from Matt Chandler preached at Elevation (I think it was not actually posted at the time because it upset people but I may be wrong). If you were not speaking about Chandler then why write it here? 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In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. Really? Firstly in the teaching. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. 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"We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." I would ask you to withdraw your remarks about legalism.posting serious allegations.refusing to substantiate them if you are in any way suggesting that I am such a person. But to me that is clear what it is. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. If your love is put off by answers you dont like, then like the BeeJees I need to ask how deep is your love?! It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . Because he is a pastor? No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he. Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." 3. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. You are just exporting your own. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. G White I am really sorry to read your last reply. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. I note you dont answer my questions about Dallas Baptist Church. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. End of Discussion. Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. Have mercy! Cool name, cool Church I knew that it was one of the fastest growing mega churches in the USA, and had heard a little of its pastor, the dynamic Stephen Furtick. Legal Statement. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 David, once again you are making assertions that do not stand scrutiny. by RELEVANT. Los Angeles County sued the church over its refusal to close down, and the church counter-sued, claiming that the County was violating rights to freedom of religion. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. Why do you think I should apologise for my Amazon remarks (which were simply that I could only find it on my Amazon feed at 30)? what evidence do you have for that?). Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, Use the Church Finder to locate churches with TMS alumni around the world. [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. 2) You actually did explictly state that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be preached or lived. Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. I agree that the greatest threat to the church comes from false teachingas you will know if you read this blog. He is a ministry collaborator with . yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. PPS. I kind of dreaded this type of response. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. It is quite shocking. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. Can I suggest a little more humility? Opinion Preston Clegg. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. So it would be a bit premature to throw them on a bonfire another example of your sly prose which was unwarranted. [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. as there are with me. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. What am I gonna do? John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. It was neither juicy nor gossip. And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? Your other remarks continue to be provocative, misleading and snide and I wont grace them with a reply, other than to say that I have no need to retract any of my remarks, for the reasons already explained to you. Last year, when far-reaching government restrictions were put in place, the megachurch continued holding indoor worship services despite bans on such gatherings. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. And whilst there are some who have a tremendously positive influence, I suspect that the majority do more harm than good. A point you also mentioned. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. Legal Statement. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. Period. He has misgivings about Neo-Calvinism and he gave his reasons for those misgivings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbfoO6hMSLc. (Ezek. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. Market data provided by Factset. I find this very revealing. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. I challenged that because I regard these as serious charges and not to made lightly against a Christian brother. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. (You can read the follow up five years later! Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. 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