Cpl. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. You can, just--there's nothing. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. A tragedy that could have been prevented. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. While the offense with which she is charged is a violent and serious one, the court ruled, it was not directed at the public at large., On Jan. 10, David says, we had to give Zachary back to her.. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. She posts with her new love often and is very open about how happy she feels in the relationship. Its something that cant be forgiven, says Shears. But how? I--we both did. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Easy duty. This provision has a good chance of causing judges and prosecutors to fix what got Zachary killed.". Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. the water. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. She was here.' not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. Some time after 1 a.m., she sat in the car and apparently mixed a bottle of sleeping pills with Zacharys formula. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. Kate and David remember that Andrew was born late. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. ', He quoted Shakespeare to me, Kate says, and I thought, `This is incredible. Mackenzie Long graduated from The George Washington University in 2021 with a Bachelor of Business Administration. At least he might have asleep when she went in. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. Kate was a nurse, recently arrived from England. He says he would blunt his emotions, shut them off, and concentrate on the baby. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. Sold and delivered by Audible, an Amazon company, By completing your purchase, you agree to Audibles. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. After trying to make things work for a while, the pair realized they wouldn't be able to overcome all the negativity and obstacles that developed in their relationship after their time onTemptation Island. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. quiet. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. I was just hoping more from this book, but I can understand it. Even after the reunion episode, where more information emerged about David's multiple hookups both on the show and afterward, Kate stuck by her man. This is a fantastic book. Why don't you just take him?'. Shirley. If she had her way, we would not have had any visitation at, MORRISON: Coming up, fighting not just to see their grandson, but. He was developing a personality. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. Get help and learn more about the design. Another guy and I said, `Sure. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. Two months later, with the extradition process still grinding on, Turner announced she was pregnant with Andrew's child. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 16, 2016. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. Or it's in the car. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. I can understand that. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? In one of the infamous bonfires, David's threesome with two of the single women was shown to Kate. And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. I had a job I loved. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. In June, the federal justice minister ordered her turned over to U.S. authorities. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. It is recommended that you watch the film first before reading on (though do be warned it is NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. Mackenzie is particularly fond of Survivor, which she has been watching ever since she was born. Harriette Cole: I don't want the neighbor's kids at my house, Dear Abby: My wife said she doesn't like it, but it's part of my life, Ask Amy: I feel guilty for not speaking up about my co-worker's activities, Ask Amy: I'm your cabin housekeeper, and you apparently have no idea what I do. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. Late the next night, Turner put Zachary in a car and drove in intermittent heavy rain from St. Johns to Kelligrews on the Atlantic Ocean. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. I'm tired of this. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. The Bagbys, whod already been traveling back and forth to Canada for the extradition hearings, knew what they had to do. Mommy loves you. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. Mr. BAGBY: By this time we're pretty damn sure she's complete. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. Zachary himself was murdered by his mother as well. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. He loved to laugh, Kate says. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. Nor do the memories, starting with the Nov. 6, 2001, phone call. And he was beautiful, Kate says. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. Very brave parents. They recorded them. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. Yes, I went to great lengths to read this book and I'm glad I did! Cpl. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. (Talking in group) This is not about money. Oh, my God. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. He, consumed by anger. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Unfortunately, it went out of print and is very expensive to purchase. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! . And he'd be like(turns. Serious crime is rare in this country. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. So he came straight for me. I didn't have. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. The decision was put on hold, however, with an appeal hearing scheduled for September. 1 Photo. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Their sons killer was off the streets and their grandchild would come live with them. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. And we came back. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. We lived for that hour every week.. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. That little boy, with the blue eyes and pudgy cheeks. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? Zachary held his hands out, reaching for Kate.. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? Once, she called him 30 times while he was at a pal's wedding. I agree whole heartedly, that things need to change. It's just as heartbreaking as the documentary "Dear Zachary", which I HIGHLY recommend watching. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. IE 11 is not supported. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. Mommy misses you. Mother a murderer. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . She spent the day in his house across from the hospital, reading e-mail and checking eBay bids for a Barbie doll she wanted. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. 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