I guess, after the New Testament, I guess heres a fun question, which of the church fathers would you be okay with preaching at your church? Locals is a free speech platform. Thats all I got. My point in that its not the definite article that is interesting, the son of Mary. Christie then nailed a 46-yard field goal in overtime, giving the Bills their third victory of the season. Calvin did not believe in the perpetual virginity of Mary. Steve Hays (1959-2020) We just learned that Steve Hays has passed away in a hospice. Dr. Steven A. Christie MD Radiology General Radiology Kendall, FL Male 21+ Yrs Experience English 7500 SW 87th Ave, Kendall, FL Overview Location & Contact Education & Experience Overview. So Trent, what are some arguments that you hear Catholics put forth for any of the dogmas we are discussing today, that you wish they would stop putting forth because theyre bad arguments? Thank you, Steve. As 1 Timothy 3:15 says, the pillar and foundation of truth. Were going to move to Trent now for his 15 minute opening. But let me get to that point about death though. Regarding the Immaculate Conception, the other Pope declared, but not infallibly, the most blessed Virgin Mary in the first instance of her conception was preserved free from all stain of original sin is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to believe firmly and constantly by all the faithful. That has not been handed down to us but that she was assumed in heaven was even though [inaudible 01:06:39]. But in the infancy narrative, were just talking about the birth of the firstborn in accord with The Mosaic Law. Good day, Trent. And the same is true for Mary. And these brothers still struggle on the same land 3,800 years later. I cant go into that in detail here in the answer, but I might talk about it in a future podcast episode. So we could assume that they have the same biological mother and father. Be sure to check out Steve's speech at Wyohackathon.io it was a very interesting talk about the history of money. That seems to be something that went without contention. Now in the Septuagint as well as in the New Testament, adelphos is used to talk about people who have the same father but different mothers. Some people dont die at all. So Steve even admits that Jesus is an exception to the claims about the universality of sin. In the early church, there was a heretical sect called the [Cororidians 01:25:03] and [Epiphanias 01:25:05] condemns them. Im really enjoying this. So youre going to agree it does not deny Mary was assumed into heaven? But Paul stopped being a Pharisee after he became a Christian. Second, this debate is not about the church fathers or Christian history. So he would be referred to as the son of Joseph sometimes. Itll make me feel really good if nothing else. I would say that this is a really important question and one for us to look at, that for Protestants and Catholics to have dialogue with one another and to get closer to the truth, I think its huge to be able to move from And what this debate is about, is about do these beliefs contradict Scripture? I mean, its quite possible theyre born of different mothers, but theres no evidence for us to pursue that route. The 33-yard field goal came with just :35 to play, giving the Bills a win over the Titans, who had knocked them out of the playoffs the year before. But Mary only had a human nature and a sinful nature. David K. Clark - apologist with notable books; teaches at Bethel Seminary. Theres more to it than that. They were both Catholic. Okay. It is not considered inspired. Okay. Can I quickly make a [inaudible 01:23:12]. in Aberdeen Scotland., The United Kingdom Make an Appointment [inaudible 00:57:25] the son of Mary is odd. You mean the son of John? So if Andrew is Jonahs son, too, because Andrew is the brother of Peter, then why cant James, the brother of Jesus, also be the son of Mary? It is never used for a female non-sibling relative in either Testament, nor in its Greek. The Protestant Old Testament canon is also not what we find in the oldest manuscripts of the Bible, such as codex Sinaticus and codex Vaticanus, which date from the fourth century after Christ. And even there, he admitted it doesnt explicitly talk about Mary. Yeah. Im not sure what your question is. And I can honestly say the same thing about Mary especially with the oppression of Rome and the Jews especially after Jesus was born. So I think that is highly significant theres something very, very special about Mary in the way that its used along with the words definition. The Protoevangelium of James does talk about Mary being very mature for her age, walking at an early age, for example, and being precocious. Yet the presence of those exceptions doesnt disprove the nearly universal truth the sacred author was affirming. Now Steve has said, Well, they were assumed into heaven alive and if Mary died, she would not be assumed into heaven. But thats not the case. So whenever you want to begin, I will click the 10 minute button. The point I want to raise there is that adelphi has the same semantic range as adelphos. Trent Horn vs Steve Christie Apocrypha Debate Recap & Discussion, Our Friend Steve Christie Gets Mitch Pacwa to Admit Abel to Zechariah Is About the Canon, Conversation On The Old Testament Canon With Steve ChristiePart 1, Conversation On The Old Testament Canon Part 2 with Steve Christie, Conversation On The Old Testament Canon with Steve ChristiePart 3, Gary Michutas Apocrypha Apocalypse Challenge ANSWERED! 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Just as eating from the tree of life wouldve resulted in Adam physically living forever likewise, Adam, eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, result put into him physically dying. And in fact, in the Old Testament, only begotten and firstborn are used interchangeably. Alright? I didnt bring up [Greek 00:52:36]. Both of us agree thats not the case for Jesus. But even at that, the Greek word for adelphi, in the Old Testament, when its used, its used even in a translation, not to mean anything other than a biological sister or a believing sister, like the sister nations of Israel and Judah. Qualification, rates and payments will vary based on timing and individual circumstances. He was content to let go and die a natural death. This is how God as savior is used in both testaments. But there are many problems with this speculative argument. If Mary kept the law, she could not be made righteous since righteousness does not come from keeping the law, but through Christs death. He writes, As a Pharisee, the apostle Paul would have understood the Law and the Prophets to refer to only those writings found in Protestant Old Testaments today. But this argument fails for the following reasons. I already addressed Psalm 65, but Steve said, Well, the sins were applied to Jesus in a non-literal way. Right, but notice what it says in Psalm 69:5 of the Messiah, Oh God, thou knowest my folly. Peels notes in his study of the passage, Jesus is not marking beginning and end points in time but rather is contrasting Abels secret death in the wilderness with Zechariahs public death in the Temple. Sorry, let me go back a little bit here with this. And eventually those ended up being dropped throughout the debate. Oh, wow. Okay, so now we are going to move into 10-minute rebuttals. When Mary said, I know not man, in Luke 1:34, does this indicate a vow of perpetual virginity? Im sure Trent doesnt think that that man is immaculate conceived, because there are those at Catholic Answers and elsewhere who thinks [Greek 00:48:09] or [Greek 00:48:11] eight means that they were always in a state of grace, meaning that Mary was sinless. "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb.Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" - Psalm 139: 13,16 I always wanted to have five kids, but I met and married my First, Christies argument for the Pharisees canon being identical to modern Protestant Old Testament comes from a selective quotation from my colleague Jimmy Akin. I dont know if I would. Instead, these manuscripts contain the deuterocanonical books, and they correspond to the Church councils of this era such as Hippo and Carthage that also affirmed the inspiration of these books. First, ancient Jews kept their books in a series of scrolls and not in a single book, so its anachronistic to say this refers to the table contents in a book. A Facebook "Dialogue" With Baptist Author Steve Christie. But when the Bible talks about a firmament, that talks about an ancient, incorrect view of the heavens. Solo performances by Steve Christie bring all the sound of a live band to your special event. Worshiping Mary as if she takes the place of God and is the one who secures our salvation as if she died on the cross or something like that. So theres nothing in scripture that contradicts that. FEIN: 47-5459301. Thank you very much, Steve. Kelly said, for the great majority of the early Church Fathers, the deuterocanonical writings ranked as Scripture in the fullest sense (Early Christian Doctrines, 55). They wanted people following scripture even if they were wrong. January 07, 1964. If any man should presume to make such an attempt, let him know that he will incur the wrath of almighty God and the blessed apostles, Peter and Paul. If Mary was a immaculate conceived, why would Joseph and her kinsfolk who knew her-. He scored 100 or more points in eight of . The Buffalo Bills officially signed Christie to a one-day contract, thus to retire as a Buffalo Bill. One, ones natural sister, such as a sister of the same parents or a half sister or, two, a believing sister, such as a Christian sister. Alright what about the Immaculate Conception? Its nice to be able to go through all of these scripture passages. But were not debating whether the Bible teaches the immaculate conception. So we see here that messianic Psalms are often applied to Jesus in non-literal ways. Yeah, sure. This is really great. This is an example called eisegesis of Scripture. Okay. Wait until after the debate, but if you want to go there now, its about that. And Id like my little mini rebuttal, very quick points, Matt, that is a topic for another debate. I think a lot of people have this question, both Catholics and Protestants. What plunged mankind into the fall was Adams sin, which resulted in Adam and by extension all of mankind, including Mary, physically dying. So we have to read the context. So does that mean that Mary could have had daughters because it says, the son of Mary? But it doesnt demand for that though. It has nothing to do with Mary being the ark. He claims this shows Jesus believed the Old Testament was confined to Genesis (or Abel) and 2 Chronicles (or Zechariah). . The second best result is Steven Luke Christie age 40s in New Hyde Park, NY in the Garden City Park neighborhood. So it would-. G.K. Chesterton - famous author, philosopher, theologian, apologist. But I mean, some of the early ones, Id probably Definitely not Judas Iscariot. Christie's career in Buffalo spanned 144 regular season games and a 78.3 success rate on field goals. Geoffrey Stephen "Steve" Christie (born November 13, 1967) is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League, who, as a member Steve Christie - Nangungunang mga yugto ng podcast If your unbaptized baby dies, and theyre not baptized, guess what? So again, weve gone through a lot of scripture here, but none of them stick and show that the Marian Dogmas are contradicted by the Bible in any way. What about the other Marian Dogmas? Are you going to answer the question, does it describe her giving birth to anyone else or say she gave birth to anyone else? Steve's musical talents may have roots in his genes. He might say that its unlikely, he doesnt accept it, but theres no contradiction also if she is thankful to God for being preemptively saved from sin. As I said before, thats not what were debating today. Mary also did not need to be bodily assumed to heaven like Enoch and Elijah, so they would not see death, supported by the earliest church tradition, indirectly supported by Scripture, and strongly implied by the dogma itself. I already have. And I already cited Greek scholars like Bill Mounce and New Testament scholars, like Richard Bauckham, who agree with me that adelphi has a broader semantic range than what Steve has brought up here. They go into the glory of God. When it came to the immaculate conception, Steve did not really put forward any argument to show Mary sinned herself. We honor our father who is in heaven, and we give honor to Mary, who is the mother of God that brought our savior into the world. I would love to have Augustine or Aquinas come down to my parish and give a talk or be a pastor there. Yeah, no, Steve, if you want to give me the links to those over email, Ill be sure to put them in the description below so people can easily find them. Our two sources of evidence during this period would be Jewish and Christian authors. Thats all it is. From 2001 to 2003 he played for the San Diego Chargers, who, with the hire of former Bills GM John Butler, acquired several former Buffalo players. And Steve has not ruled that out. Does the Bible teach that no human being has ever been assumed into heaven? Its referring back to 2 Samuel when its talking about the ark being moved to Jerusalem. I had mentioned about the word all, pas, all have sin and fall short of the glory of God. So the protestant reformers like Luther and Zwingly, did they believe Mary was a perpetual Virgin and were they committed to Sola scriptura? Or are they all good? Massive thanks to those who support us at locals and on Patreon. Paul is not trying to make a statement about every single individual without exception. So Steve would probably say that, Well, Jesus has sins, but there our sins, not his sins. Okay. Lets take a look here. Many of you know I now have a Catholic Lo-Fi channel. So lets take a look at them. Even Trent has argued that the word does not mean to be immaculately conceived. This is also the view of St. John Chrysostom as late as the fifth century, venerated as a doctor of the church of Roman Catholicism, who also believed Mary thought Jesus had gone mad. Without separating the Marian dogmas from them are where these much, much later Marian dogmas developed from and later forced into the text, which would have been foreign to the biblical writers. Prototokos, I dont have a problem with the term, meaning first out of the womb, but in Luke chapter two versus 22 to 23, this is a different event. Trent had mentioned about the age of accountability. He put that on his glorified resurrection body after the resurrection. Maybe a little too much. All right. And of course we can get into the whole Latria and Dulia argument, but thats not what this debate is actually about. But the immaculate conception was declared 15 years or so before that. Theres no divine judgment on Mary in any form described here in Mark chapter three. Therefore when Mark 6:3 refers to Jesus brothers and sisters not honoring him, we know this refers to Jesus younger half siblings. So whenever you are ready, Ill click the timer. In his recent book Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, Protestant apologist Steve Christie claims that all Christians should accept the Protestant Old Testament canon and reject the deuterocanonical books of Judith, Tobit, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1and 2 Maccabees, and portions of Daniel and Esther. As Trent Horn stated in his debate against Dr. James White, Our theology should come from the Bible, not the Bible from our theology. Thats Sola Scriptura, folks, and I agree with him as did the Apostle Paul and the first century Roman Church. It is often said, in order to detect a counterfeit bill, you dont study other counterfeit bills, but instead you first study the genuine thing, then youll be able to detect a counterfeit easily. Sure. So Mary being assumed into heaven, dying, which is the majority view among theologians, does not show that she had sin. Geoffrey Stephen Christie (born November 13, 1967) [1] is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League (NFL), who, as a member of the Buffalo Bills, became known for his ability to kick clutch field goals, even in poor weather. I dont know how you would feel. Click the link in the description below to go through to the greatest Catholic prayer and meditation app on the planet. And this includes Mary, who Jesus saved her by redeeming and delivering her from her sins. Now the doctrine of original sin is true, but the Bible does not explicitly say that it applies to every single individual without exception. And then she was placed to be serving within the temple. Theyll say that I dont believe it, but Steve might say it doesnt contradict scripture necessarily. Give the person you disagree with a listen, really try to understand where theyre coming from because if after hearing their position, you still disagree with it, at least youll be better informed about what Protestants or Catholics believe so you can better engage them and resist the temptation to attack straw met. So Im going to cover four of them. After leaving the Bills after the 2000 season, Christie played with the Chargers and Giants. Eventually they stopped attending church "because of the shallowness of what we found," Steve Ray said. I agree with what that person teaches. The earliest source sharing in this view that she died first is from the Dormition. If you guys could try to keep your answers to about two minutes each. Its on my YouTube channel BornAgainRN. Yeah. No one else ever before in the history of salvation had been asked to do something like that. She goes on to say, My spirit rejoices in God, my savior for or because he has regarded the lowest state of his handmaiden. Mary then describes how God saves people from threats in this life by exalting the lowly or feeding the hungry. 16. Steve Ray is a Apologetics, Convert, Evangelist travelling from , Michigan. Thats not true. While Mary is a conceived in sin creation. Jackson Memorial Hospital. So Im not saying that Catholics are actively worshiping Mary or statues of Mary, but we have to be careful with the word of veneration. Steve Christie also has his own website. And you, just so people are aware, arent being mean or anything by doing that. It is used this way consistently in the New Testament, as well as in the Septuagint where it is used over a hundred times, such as the Sister Kingdoms of Israel and Judah who worship the same one true God of the Old Testament. My wife and I literally were listening to Scott Hahn reading the Book of Romans as we were going as sleep last night. Christie claims the Hebrew canon was closed by Ezra and other learned men at an event called the Great Synagogue. In fact, the Bible often speaks about things like human sinfulness or human mortality as a universal truth and those things really are universal, but it doesnt always mention the exceptions that do occur to these universal rules. Okay. He was human. Thank you very much, Trent. . . On the one hand he could show the Bible teaches the opposite of these dogmas regarding Mary as an individual. Oh, absolutely. He would end up playing two years for the Buccaneers. [W]e do not know the extent of his canon. Get your complimentary mortgage payment estimate* Apply Now. And again, in Sirach chapter 18, I think its verse 17 in the Septuagint uses this same Greek word, but in the masculine to refer to man being full of grace as [inaudible 01:21:46] and obviously Trent and I would agree that it doesnt mean that way. Not Really Of Us: Why Do Children of Christian Parents Abandon the Faith? Can a person with a human nature die even if they are free from sin? And so it would fulfill the promise in Philippians 3:21 that says, Our bodies, lowly bodies, will be transformed like his heavenly body, Christ. The phrase [foreign language 00:26:17] is used throughout the Septuagint or the Greek Old Testament without implying any kind of reversal. Id have to respond individually. When we talked about there being universal truths about sin, we both agreed on that. Paul offers, he says in First Corinthians 7:5 through seven, Do not refuse one another, except by agreement for a season, to devote yourselves to prayer so that youre not tempted by lack of self control. He went on to score 1108 points in 156 consecutive regular season and post-season games and still stands as the top scorer in Bills' history. Because they have the same father but different mothers. According to Methodist scholar David A. deSilva, New Testament authors weave phrases and recreate lines of arguments from Apocryha books into their new texts. Trent, in your recent podcast rebutting Ray Comfort, you said Jesus is the only person referred to as the son of Mary. Well, Matt, thank you so much for hosting this debate, Steve, thank you very much for agreeing to debate me again. As I showed earlier, you have people like Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, who were firmly I would not call them Catholic. It doesnt mention sin there. Steve Christie: According to Robert Sungenis, president of Catholic Apologetics International, unlike Jesus Ascension assumptions in the Bible are under the power of God not the individual being assumed. Finally, this debate is not about Marian doctrines or theological opinions about Mary. After all Ive done for you, and you just sit there, you watch this, you dont click that thumbs up button. Certainly they were baptized Catholics, but they opposed whatever they thought the church taught that contradicted sacred Scripture in a wide variety of doctrines, except they didnt contradict on Mary being the mother of God or her being ever Virgin. Is primary meaning of adelphos that you have the same biological mother and father? In Not Really Of Us, author and former skeptic, Steve Christie, examines specific reasons why your child abandoned the Christian faith. Many of them did not believe in him. Those that have been infallibly defined to be part of divine revelation. And if thats the case, I think hed have to say there really wasnt a church before that if he cant find someone prior to that say, yeah, that person believed essentially what I believe. But were not debating whether the Marian Dogmas have a historical foundation in the writings of the church fathers. This is something Paul gave as concession, not as command to others. Thats good for me too. What is pure fiction cannot be used as factual evidences. 9035 SW 72nd St Ste 102 Miami, FL 33173. That she was conceived without original sin? Second, the Zechariah killed in 2 Chronicles was the son of Jehoiada, not Berechiah. Okay. Protestants disagree. My screen name is BornAgainRN, so you can look at me that way. So I dont know if that answers a question but probably the bodily assumption. I wouldnt assume that that involves a vow virginity, but I think theres a different context in relation to the fact that we have betrothal between Mary and Joseph, that its an odd construction. Christian authors, however, never present a list of inspired books written before the time of Christ that matches the Protestant Old Testament canon. Okay. The fact that this is used of Mary is very unusual. While Jesus was conceived by the holy spirit, the Psalmists wrote, In sin, my mother conceived me. Echoed later by the apostle Paul all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The Greek word translated all [foreign language 00:08:51] translated everyone, which includes Mary in her conception, but obviously not Jesus since scripture explicitly states, Jesus was without sin. Okay. So Im well aware of that. I have also appeared several Like for example, how does one reconcile the following statements, I am the way, the truth, and the life, from our blessed Lord in John 14:6 and Hail holy queen, mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope, emphasis on both claiming to be our life? Until his death of cancer at 74 in May, Zacharias had been one of the best-known figures of American Christian radio and TV for decades. Steve may not believe thats what the text says, but if it does say that, theres no contradiction in it saying that. Singing professionally for over 30 years, Steve Christie is a seasoned performer. So just a historical note for everybody watching. Can a conclusion be infallible if the underlying logic is false? Chris Christie is one of six Catholics among the 17 candidates running for the Republican nomination in the crowded 2016 presidential race. Hofstra University, +1 more. And again, scripture states, Because Jesus is God is why he would not inherit sin like Mary did, because Mary is not God, unless Trent is going in that direction, which I dont think it is. Okay. Well, I would say that it contradicts it because if she was indeed sinless, Mary would not have been bodily assumed into heaven for the reasons I stated in my opening statement. Ive addressed some of them, but Ill address those other points hes brought up in my next rebuttal period. Yes, and I also have a video about Protestant inconsistent use of typology where Protestants have no problem even seeing very rough connections, typologically, to Jesus in the Old Testament, but then apply a much harsher standard when those same typological connections or better ones show Mary in the Old Testament. Second thing I want to point out is you should consider joining our locals community. For example, in Psalm 69:5, it says of the Messiah, Oh God thou knowist my folly. What you ended up finding also from this, as well as other dogmas, when you go back to it, you find a lot of these dogmas originating in apocalyptic literature. So feel free to answer that briefly. They point us to Jesus Christ. I want to comment on his use of the word veneration. Would you agree with Jerry [Maditix 01:04:38] that the assumption of Mary was an eyewitness account just as Jesus ascension was? 0 (0 ratings) Leave a review. Had Adam not sinned he would be alive today, as well as Mary had she not inherited Adam sin nature, a view shared by Catholic Answers and the Second Council of Orange. But anyways, Im going to come back to that. When Isaiah prophecy states that the virgin will bear a son, it is not implying her virginal integrity remained intact after his birth, nor that her virginity would extend throughout her entire life, but only to stress that the Messiahs birth would be supernatural and that Jesus was divine. bitcoin wyohackathon bitcoinkn.com Trace Mayer Steve Christie Kraken.com. I would ask him this question, you can answer it now or some other venue, who was the first Christian, like author, father, theologian, who held to the same theology that Steve does? His primary concern is to simply say that Jesus had no earthly father. Pauls letters were occasional, and the scriptural texts that he cited and used were determined largely by the circumstances in which he was writing. I will take away their sins. Gordon Clark - Christian philosopher, apologist, and theologian. Originally from Aberdeen ,now residing in Edinburgh. Shameless plug. The second man Christ is from heaven as is the earthy Adam so also are those who are earthy and as is the heavenly Christ so also are those who are heavenly. Of the 336 field goals Steve Christie kicked during his 15-year National Football League career, none was more important than the one he booted in overtime on Jan. 3, 1993, at the stadium then known as Rich. Moreover, there was diversity of thought among Jews until the second century after Christ over what constituted the Hebrew canon. If it was, the New Testament writers would not deviate from it occasionally and use their own Greek translation. And I truly believe that because youre a nice guy. 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